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said all that, I don't feel like I'm progressing XD
Practically all the Japanese I know came from reading manga (in Japanese), listening to music and translating it, and watching j-dramas...and translating those for my friends. It's not the best way to go about it, and still you actually do have to sit down and do a lot of work...but hey, sometimes it beats the textbook.
I'd have to say being born into a Japanese family in Japan. 6 years of intensive language study have convinced me.
The only thing that kept me learning Japanese in uni was that I knew that when I pasted by the grade school on the way to my campus I could stop anyone of those yellow-hatted little rugrats, challenge them to a kanji showdown, and send them crying to their mommies.
The ego-trip always ended when I remembered that they at least could speak fluent Japanese :(
My kanji is at a high school level now but my speaking still stinks.
Regarding "pre-learning" for university, I'd agree with Koichi. Also at my university it's a prerequisite for the Japanese course being able to read and write both, Hiragana and Katakana! (I'm studying in Berlin, Germany) So it's probably a good idea to learn them, which is not very difficult in my opinion, it just takes time and regular repetition.
As for learning Japanese by watching Anime (apart from the fact that the language used in Anime is supposed to be different from normal Japanese language (I can't tell, but was told)), it might work if you are young enough, at least to some extent. I have a friend in denmark, where on TV they often show simply English shows and movies with subtitles. And my friend stated that he could speak and understand English even before having the subject in school, just by watching TV as a child, so to say. Same thing for his friends. Of course I can't know whether this is true or not, but there might be a chance, since as a child (around 3 years of age I think) you have to greatest potential for learning new languages. Also his English is excellent in every aspect, especially pronounciation.
However, that shouldn't encourage you to try learning Japanese by watching Anime for some reasons that Koichi already mentioned in some post I can't find right now, especially since most of the readers of this blog are already older than 6 years. ^^ So, i suppose it will take almost everyone simply plain hard work to achieve their Japanese learning goals.
Good article. :)
@Marc
It was bought at some store in Kyoto, off the head of a freeta D:
Second, is to get the audio CD for whatever book you have. It's essential to help your listening ability, and if you have a good ear, for imitating the tone as close as possible. I realize it's not a tonal language, but that doesn't mean you speak it w/an English accent!
I just take it slow, one chapter at a time, making sure I master all grammar points before moving on. Whenever I have a question, I make sure to ask the sensei to clarify.
It's also a good idea to do all of your homework. Practice listening, reading, and writing.
Another thing that helps is to come up w/sentences on your own, making use of the current chapter's grammar points, w/your classmates, and/or native speakers, if you know of any.
So, what should I do where should I start. I would someday like to speak and write Japanese fluently, so I understand that I need to make a commitment.
Thanks,
What articles do you read every day to practice Japanese? I find newspapers a bit too difficult, but as a third-year student I probably should push myself for that.
Ideas?
I usually get my articles from Asahi.com (sometimes it will redirect you to the English version, but you can just click on "japanese" somewhere and it will take you back). Granted, it is a newspaper, but it's not so bad in terms of difficulty (I think). Careful not to copy the grammar points too much though, it's all really stiff, like a newspaper should be :)
I started with a website called YesJapan (www.yesjapan.com) really good website. And then I got a private teacher. He was really helpful until he had to go back to Japan. Now I'm back to YesJapan and I really need to practice everyday.
Lesson: If you're paying for something, make sure you get the most out of it instead of burning out on it.
日本語を学ぶことについて、4.5年前に始まりました。 アメリカの大学で勉強して、関西に住んで、日本の専門学校で勉強しました。 でも、今まであまり分かりません。 ふかのうだと思う。
So after these four years... I wonder why I still can not communicate w/ Nihonjin beyond the most simplest of phrases... I cannot follow even simple sentences in a conversation...
Even though you discount your limited exposure to Japanese as a child, my belief is that experience taught you much. Wait till you try to learn a foreign language when you have gray hair!
It is though for me, an older person, important to realize that the language skills developed in childhood cannot be contained merely in college language-learning texts. And there is no way around that.
Your own Japanese is spoken more slowly than most natives, from my experience. Not a bad thing for teaching Japanese! Indeed, you would probably make an outstanding Japanese teacher and could find gainful employment in that area, if you ever become so inclined.
Anyway, from then on, I've found a variety of ways in and out of classes that help me improve learning the language. Amongst those, what has really been helping me more than anything, is making myself read journals and interviews of Japanese idols/musicians/etc at any time possible. The best way I've learned from it, is I read what I can and try to look up the kanji that I don't know, and also use the Mozilla Firefox tool "Rikaichan" to help give me hints sometimes on translations and how to read/say the kanji. Anyway, I usually translate the journals and interviews I read all into English and share it with others on a message board. Everyone on this message board have also really helped push me because when they notice something new that needs to be translated, they always ask me to do it, so it pushes me to keep on going even when I'm not in the mood to do it at the time. I honestly believe that if you keep pushing yourself to do more, even when you really don't feel like doing it, you'll progress, because the only way to get better at Japanese is to find all the resources you can to actually help yourself learn and apply yourself. Its difficult at first, but I really find it enjoyable now and I'm amazed when I'm actually able to understand more and more of what I read or listen to.
so that was how i started learning...
now i don't know where i can find lessons...my parents aren't willing to pay for a teacher or for online lessons (I'm 14), they say it isn't worth learning a language i might never need D: and i can't pay either because i don't have a real allowance, i just ask my parents to buy stuff that i want and lend me money. so that is my sad tale...
now i don't know where to get free lessons from, if you know any sites with free japanese audio lessons, could you please send me the link on my email: animefannumb3r1@hotmail.com
i would really appreciate it, Thanks ^_^
for lessons in hirgana. It took me about a month to learn hirgana, and I'll be starting katakana soon.
As for textbooks I would recommend people get Adventures in Japanese 1 by Hiromi Person and Naomi Omizo and is illustrated by Michael Muronaka & Emiko Kaylor. The book has probably been one of the most helpful things for me. It has pictures of all the vocab, and has culture notes, maps, hirgana & katakana charts etc.
Good luck to everyone!
There are some drama CD for mangas on youtube that overlays it w/ the manga at the same time. It helps because you're reading the manga and listening to the conversation at the same time, very helpful.
I will say that anime can help you learn Japanese....it helps in that if I hear vocabulary that I'm learning in a show that it stays ingrained in my head better and i also learn when I can use some phrases correctly in the right situation. Anime is a nice tool as long as it's not the main one.....
Anyway
Basically around the end of last year I decided to learn it again and so far I've learned more in a few months than what I learned in two years. Do you recommend cramming all the Hiragana and Katakana in a week? I managed to learn all the hiragana again in about 4 days, but I've not had such luck with the Katakana...anyway...I'll end this comment with:
Kore wa anata no inkei desuka?
I have to say though that I enjoy the study of Japanese, I like how new little thinks become clear each week.
But it makes class more fun and not as boring as it would've been if I didn't know so much funny Japanese tongue twisters (のむならのるな、のるならのむな*)!
*nomu nara noru na, noru nara nomu na. "If you drink don't drive, if you drive don't drink."
flowerpainter3@yahoo.com
i happened to stumble in your video today...what a blessing, it MADE MY DAY
holy crap...you're so funny.People get inspired after seeing this...i got.
u kinda became my idol today, i hope u keep doing that..what a beautiful art of making people laugh (now i got dramatic)
c ya o/
I've now gotten my coursework, and the two "complete courses" (aka-Learn Japanese in 6 weeks by listening to this while you drop off your mail for less than 5 seconds a day) that I bought before university together, and I'm completing my new years resolution of listening to the lessons on my way to and from work, and at least a half hour a day otherwise until I've learned it. Even if it takes me years!
You are cute. Like whoas.
Sorry. As for the "professional and smart human being" sounding part: I've been taking Japanese for three semesters (I'm currently nearing the end of my fourth) and I actually found that in the way of learning vocab/kanji, if I sit down and make digital "flashcards" for the words we learn in class, I actually learn them pretty well.
I make the "flashcards" using GIMP, so they're just 800x600 images with the kanji and the furigana in the image, and then the English meaning as the file name. I set my computer's screensaver to the "Slideshow" option for my Kanji folder, so whenever it goes to the screensaver, I can review just by glancing at the screen. True, it's not particularly efficient, since I never know which words are going to pop up, but it is a good way to keep Kanji on the brain at the very least.
Anyway. I'm done now. Maybe I actually will NOT be lazy and keep up with your blogoricious blog from now on. :D
That probably helps with the "learning".
*PS: I'm from Brazil and I live near a Japanese neighborhood. I love to go there!!
I actually think there is a trick to learning Japanese the fast (and ironically, the hard) way when it comes to speaking. But I guess it only works when you're actually living in Japan. Watch the television everyday and every night until you understand what they're saying. LOL. That's what my husband did to me. We also have a 'Speak Japanese Day' every Thursday and whenever we go around town my husband will have random quiz about the place. I think these methods help a lot.
As a result, I can understand Japanese quite well now, however the downside is that I still can't read Kanji (T_T)
I don't think there's another way around it when it comes to writing or reading, though. I'm slowly learning kanji, and I find that Kanji pictographs work like a charm for me, because its fun and I understand the meaning a lot more. Eventually, I'll enroll in a Japanese language class... one day.
I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with you: anime will not teach you to speak Japanese.
Going to a class and doing a lot of research and study online will.
Im just asking, if anyone is willing to spare the time, could someone please post a website that is safe, and I wont be afraid of getting incorrect information from. Also, A nice website for kanji would realy help. I AM willing to spend a few years learning the first few thousand kanji. Ive only spent a few weeks on japanese. Though I dont think Im making progress, Ive only learned japanese worth about 1 hour of conversation and probably.
Im greenporing on youtube.
Get a real textbook and use it. It costs money, but the grammar isn't so wackily far off base as Kim's site.
They also have a kanji series but I liked the book we used in class more.
http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Kanji-Book-Vol-1/dp...
anyways you don't have to take my advice. Good luck!
So from the J-rock songs and J-dorama I began to learn how the sentences and words they used made sense, and tried learning what they were saying. And I joined some Japanese community and blog sites to see how Japanese people used Japanese. So after I felt kind of comfortable with Japanese, I started talking to this Japanese transfer student at my school, and I still can't speak as much as I can understand, but I managed! So now I practice whenever I meet with a Japanese person...
On some websites I did notice they said different things about stuff, like anata was impolite or anata was common, but I just avoided that and looked at what people said >>;;
Oh also I suggest TaeKim's website too! It helped me a lot with grammar! It's really good! :D
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/completeguide.ht...
http://www.seedgenesis.net/index.php?action=lea...
to learn japanese
=) so... would be awesome if you had some more advices to give me :)
o//
~Cookie(Sherry)
I keep myself "accountable" by actually blogging about my progress. ( http://www.sebbylearnsjapanese.blogspot.com/ )
Knowing that people read on and/or study along keeps me going. Right now I'm just doing some intro self-learning but I'm starting university classes in the fall.
Is it truth that Japanese and Chinese are almost the same language?
What do you think?
I personally think Chinese is much more difficult than Japanese, but that's just my opinion
Where were you born in U.S. or Japan?
video wa very funny.
I know this is old, and I can't make videos; so I can't make a video response...because of the lack of technological skill.
But anyways, I wanted to make sort of a response to the video you made way back in December "The Secret to Learning Japanese! Amazing!".
Well, first of all, I'm a sophomore in high school. I've always had an incredibly small group of friends, until my small group of friends mixed with a different group of friends in my freshman year. The group my friends mixed with (and I mixed with, too) were all taking Japanese 1 for their language in freshman year. I was always SO jealous, as it was too late to take Japanese 1 with them. (insert ultra-sadness) But after a while, I decided to take Japanese the next year. I always regretted not taking Japanese 1 my freshman year, but my Japanese 1 class this year gets A LOT of praise from our sensei, Miyazaki-sensei. She is a really nice teacher, and I have a lot of fun in that class! I mean...
Before, I was just taking Japanese to be like my friends, you know? Sort of like a trend, or something more we could do just to be different (something weird like that), but during this last summer, I studied Japanese a lot, and found a passion for it. It really is a beautiful language, and I have an ambition to be fluent in it some day. So, anyways, A CORRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR VIDEO, would be this.
What I do to learn Japanese, at first, take it in high school. I have Japanese every other day, for 1 1/2 hours. Besides that, I take about 30 minutes each day (besides Japanese homework) and write down all of what I learned so far in the course. What I've known for a while, I look up the kanji to the correct words. Other than that, I take about 30 minutes to an hour each day trying to analyze this manga I have. Not too long ago, (here in St. Louis) we had a Japanese festival at the Botanical Gardens, and I bought a Japanese manga at one of the booths. It's called "20th Century Boys", and from what I have figured out, it's really interesting. At first, I got insanely frustrated at my inability to read it, except for the hiragana and katakana. But after a while, I looked up a lot of the words, and the kanji, and it all makes sense! I write down the kanji and words I learned from the manga on that day, and then form sentences with those words (considering my limited Japanese fluency/vocabulary, and the fact I've only been taking Japanese for about two months.)
I hope that answered what you wanted as a response. (even though it was like, nearly seven years ago) "dog" years
Hope to read and comment on more of your blogs!
"方言"...and I saw your Hawaiian accent video and the "how Americans stereotype Japanese people" and I thought some were quite true (except you forgot to mention how many Americans think Japanese people, or all Asians for that matter eat DOGS...)...but I didn't really understand the one where people think japanese people only say yes... because I never got that stereotype here in Colorado.
But damn, after reading most of these comments I realized a lot of schools teach Japanese, I wish my high school taught Japanese...considering the fact that I was born there I'm half Japanese and I lived there for about 5 years and i visit frequently; my Japanese is shit, like seriously, I probably have the reading and writing level of a third grader and I speak in a heavy Osaka dialect. But regardless, I wanted to ask you if you have any advice on freshening up on my Japanese, because I know only a handful of kanji so reading articles is out of the question, despite my asianness I'm not too much into anime even though you mentioned not watching anime to study Japanese, so maybe if you could recommend like some books you had on learning Japanese that covers more intermediate to advanced Japanese, I would truly appreciate your help, I need to freshen up on my Japanese because I was hoping to move back there once I graduated high school and I'm still thinking about whether I should get a citizenship there (since I have dual citizenship), just in case McCain gets elected (insert Hank Hill gasp).
Though now I do self study with books and tapes with I borrow from the library.
The best one I have had was one which gives you a few words to learn everyday and then it gives you dialog to read without english translation and maybe a quiz at the end.
But I have come across a problem lately....
I can read (hiragana & katakana) and understand Japanese. But, I find I am not very good at speaking it... =S
How do you improve on something like that?
i've started to learn japanese 1 weak ago, i've already learn all the hiraganas and started to learn the katakanas and now i need some another way to learn words and thing like this... in my city don't have any japanese school, so i'm learnning on the net... if somebody can help me i'll be glad (bilgo_hyp@hotmail.com)
ありがと
check out my recent article "top 10 free resources for learning
Japanese" - those are very helpful as well!
take a look at this site ( http://www.realkana.com/hiragana/ ). it helped me a lot to learn the hiraganas and katakanas.
it's in portuguese but u'll just need the tabs hiragana, katakana and praticar (practice)
all u have to do is write down the "name" of the simbol, like this:
the site shows u this "り" u write down "ri" and press enter if its correct shows you another and if it's wrong a red x appear till u say the write answer!
hope it helps someone lol
c ya
If you're learning Japanese, even if it's hard, you'll know if you really are interested in learning because you'll want to keep learning (I've been learning French for 10 years of my life, and just because it has gotten hard, I haven't stopped :P)
So , yay Japanese!!!!! and thanks for reading this annoyingly long message that I wrote because I had too much time on my hands :)
I know some of the basics, I have them stored on my computer, I read them every day, and slap myself if I don't.
For example I weightlift. Just going to the gym and trying is not going to result in me getting stronger/faster. I follow a regimen. I plan my lifts in a scientific order, to get better results. I'm trying to do this with my Japanese. Just sitting and studying can/is a waste of time/effort. Which can result in a lack of enthusiam, as results are like mini goals.
I dunno man, I think we need to make a 21st cent approach to learning.
I taught myself japanesse by listening to people on CDs & it is as boaring!
There is one set back! i can't even write the alphabet
i am starting with anime, but i have gon over to j-dramas and i have just starte out seen som tv show (cartoon kat-tun and so) and most music i hear is all so japanish.
any way try my best but have a hard time because there are not japanish theacher in my home town where i live and i can not read or write Hiragana/Katakana/Kanji
so i guess i am in trouble if i follow my dream of traveling to japan
but thanx for youre time
joan from denmark
The best way I found to learn to write kanji is to get a dry erase board and just write them over and over and write out sentances and words. Japanese is basically a lot of repetiton and memorization just like any language. It's a lot of hard work, but if you want it enough, it shouldn't seem as hard to learn it.
Watching Japanese television shows can help with listening comprohension, and it's more interesting than just listening to a tape over and over again. There is a really awesome site that has a ton of Japanese shows, (www.mysoju.com) they are all subbed, but you still get to hear actual conversations and everyday language. I have picked up so much by watching these, it's rather ridiculous, and it's really exciting as I get farther in my Japanese how much I can understand without having to read the subtitles.
These are just a few of the things that I found that make learning Japanese easier for me.
Also thank you very much for waking me up to reality. Yes, I do need to stay away from YouTube (lol) or the computer for a while. XD
I just got back from a 6 month working holiday in Tokyo!
I am so eager to finally set in and start hardcore studying Japanese, but I don't know where to start.
I will major In Japanese at my Canadian university in 5 months.
Its a 3 year program, But i want to learn lots and excel so I can do the transfer to Japan in the second or final year.
Where would you advise starting. I start with my Japanese tutor next month!
Thanks,
Chris
how its going here :D
am new here .. but i take some Japanese classes and i'm Addict to Anime !
but my problems are Kanji i cant read or writ kanji and i still cant understands words from Japanese ppl :(
am planing to join the japanese languge learning for the Japan-Embassy here :D
but still dont have plan for how am gona study it !! i wish i can find help here :)
I've been studying for about 2 years...Going on 3??
Actually to the point where dreams are in Japanese -.-
But as you said in the Video ^(Points) I set aside about 30 to 45 minutes a day Practicing Vocabulary and my characters....Naruto Hurts my feelings....-.-
P.S....Never seen your Videos Until now....(You've just gained a Fan lol...Non fan Boy...Those are bad...)
Could some kind soul, please, suggest in specific the sites they are using to get information or how to get a nihongo learning partner?
I want to learm nihongo since I want to work as a translator of "japanesse" to spanish.
Arigato gozaimasu
is that fine? or do i need more than that to learn the japanese language??
my purpose in learning:
to live in japan or at least travel there and work there ^_^
@koichi
hehe gimme your panda hat XD
[just a joke hehe]
Maybe a private tutor??
im an exchange student from mexico.. living in japan.
And god knows ive tried everything to learn .. i know alot more then when i got here and
ive seen alot of your videos :) i think there great and well i wanted to contact you.
I really intrested in getting to know you or at least talk.
kiotsukete !
btw, big fan of ur vids in youtube. :D